Comments on: The Right vs. Conservatives vs. The Left http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/ Informed reflection on the events of the day Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.23 By: Geoffrey Butler http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-26475 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:07:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-26475 They were. And, at the time, it would have been the duty of the principled Rightist to counsel “caution, caution in all things.” Conservatism is the process of rooting the best of yesterday’s radicalism in the organic soil of the community.

Christianity was once radical, yes, as was democracy, capitalism, Roman republicanism, American republicanism, and the Protestant Reformation. But so was Marxism, Naziism, Catharism, 1520s peasant anarchy, Bogomilism, the New Left, Luddism, the French Terror, eugenics, and abortion. What separates the two? The experience of success, moderate change, and a long, humble series of adaptations to the realities of any given community.

Christianity would have been nothing without Paul. Protestantism would have been nothing if it had just been Thomas Muentzer, and not Luther. America would have been nothing if it had been Jefferson and Paine, without Madison or Adams. We must be Paul, Luther, Madison, and Adams. There are already too many would-be Christs.

As for those pieces of social legislation you seem set on defending, as the cliche goes, not all change is progress. Returning to my trinity of success, moderation, and humility, too much of our safety net is demonstrably unsuccessful, was, at the time, profoundly radical in conception, and is, then and now, reflective of an endemic hubris in our collective philosophy of government. Conservatism isn’t blind reactionaryism. It only seems that way because we only discuss the controversial innovations. You’ll notice none of us are defending marital rape, to name a much more recent innovation than the New Deal. We’re opposing the New Deal, not because it’s new, since it really isn’t, but because it’s a dangerous precedent and an increasingly obvious failure.

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By: Anonymous http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-25678 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:17:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-25678 Paul is an authoritarian reactionary. Tell me Paul, is there any government to your liking to the left of Franco’s Spain?

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By: SkeeterVT http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-25085 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-25085 Paul E. Gottfried has given the most clear-eyed look at the “big picture” facing “Conservatives and the Right that I’ve ever read — and it doesn’t look pretty for the Right.

But there is one thing that Gottfried doesn’t mention in his otherwise excellent article: The fact that the U.S. population is getting browner, with the explosion of the Latino population. By the middle of this century, America will have a non-Caucasian majority — which, as Gottfried notes, is voting increasingly leftward.

That’s already happened in California — long regarded as the trend-setter for the rest of the country, given the fact that its population — 10 percent of the national total — is a true microcosm of the U.S. as a whole.

The Latino birth rate in the U.S. hit a milestone last year when for the first time, it outpaced that of Caucasians, according to the Census Bureau. California already has a majority non-Caucasian school-age population.

Foolishly, that state’s Republican Party embarked on an campaign on immigration that was poisoned by anti-Latino rhetoric — which not only alienated the state’s Latino voters, but triggered a huge anti-Republican backlash.

By alienating a traditionally conservative — but fastest-growing — segment of the U.S. population, The GOP foolishly repeated the grave mistake it made in 1964 by nominating a staunch opponent of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (Barry Goldwater) and again in 1968 by pursuing its infamous “Southern Strategy” of openly appealing to conservative Caucasian southerners who fiercely opposed the civil rights movement, costing the party the support of blacks, which has been the GOP’s most loyal voter constituency for a century after the Civil War.

Today, California is an essentially one-party state, with the Democrats holding all seven statewide offices and nearly two-thirds supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, as well as both U.S. Senate seats and the majority of the state’s congressional delegation.

As California goes, so does the nation as a whole. No matter what happens in this November’s election, the die has been cast. The Republicans, who electoral appeal is now pretty much limited to Caucasians, are a doomed party.

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By: Jeffrey Goldfarb http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23972 Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:19:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23972 While I understand that passions run high and on other sites denouncing those with whom you disagree with is the norm, it is my hope that at Deliberately Considered people actually try to learn from each other. Regina Coeli, if the President is your enemy, your response makes sense. But since he is our country’s legitimate leader, with whom you disagree, you ought to recognize the complexity of the problem, including Obama’s motivation for his vote in Illinois. Please try to understand his position, as others, including me, try to understand the position of conservatives. We won’t agree in the end to be sure, but we will at least be better informed and possibly even better able to politically act together.

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By: Regina Coeli http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23970 Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:04:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23970 Indication of how far gone a people are when they can elect a President who voted against The Born Alive Infant Protection Act, and call a reminder of it’s hideousness hyperbole.

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By: Ross S. Heckmann http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23965 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:47:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23965 I think there is much wisdom in what has been written here.

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By: Scott http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23963 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:58:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23963 I am wondering, if ‘“Conservatism” now means in practice getting back to the year 2008 then how far back would the author be willing to go before the term “Conservative” again becomes meaningful? For Ron Paul at least this appears to mean going back at least as far as pre-Civil Rights Act America, if not as far back as 1788. While there can be no doubt that Ron Paul’s foreign policy and stance on social freedoms appeals to many “liberals”, and I admire him for his principled stance, to discard all social legislation as a corruption of the “Founding Father’s” original intentions appears to be haphazard, if not utterly dystopian. Where not the “Founding Fathers” (why are there no founding mothers?), in some sense of the word, also not progressives as well?

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By: Scott http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23961 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:33:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23961 I don’t think bandying about hyperbole such as “the left is chaos and anarchy,” “the Obamanation,” “cultic practices of child sacrifice” gets one any closer to a “return to sanity.” It comes across as mimicry of Fox News driven hysteria. How soon we forget how framing “ObamaCare” as the second coming of the Soviet Union turned out to be Politifact’s “Lie of the Year”: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

A return to sanity will occur when electioneered talking points no longer act as a substitute for clear thought.

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By: Ozvaldo http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23951 Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:00:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23951 Indeed. The ‘conservative’ side of the political debate reminds one of the Washington Generals. Remember the Anita Bryant/Florida Orange Juice controversy way back when? Reading the NYT, I get the impression that the West has turned vastly right-wing in the past thirty years. But, but…

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By: Regina Coeli http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/02/the-right-vs-conservatives-vs-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-23950 Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:40:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=11820#comment-23950 HHS Mandate comic: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404254_10150567183806697_590761696_9436812_516029654_n.jpg compare with B.O.’s Notre Dame speech.

What stops the fanatic if he is voted in again?

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