Comments on: In Review: OWS, The Ground Zero Occupation http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/ Informed reflection on the events of the day Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.23 By: Scott http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-19127 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:31:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-19127 That the end point isn’t clear is certainly a concern, and I wonder when the time will come to convert numbers into power (or perhaps numbers themselves are a form of power). Yet it isn’t for any single person to decide when that shall be, and what particular action will be taken, perhaps as a direct action or alliance, but a matter to be decided by the GA. For right now, it seems OWS is gearing for the long haul, at least judging by the statement “We’ll stay until change comes” and the organizational development of “permanent structures” in the park that can shelter the campers from worsening weather.

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By: Michael Corey http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-19092 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:10:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-19092 My sense is that OWS in addition to whatever it actually happens to be at given points in time, it also functions as a screen upon which aspirations and fears from all perspectives can and are projected. I suspect that what it is was on day one, it is something different today, and will be something else as time goes by. Clearly, there is frustration, and wide ranges of things participants are against. What participants are for is not quite as clear; and I’m not aware of its specific, actionable proposals.

The form of OWS seems to be changing as time passes. It is becoming more organized and structured. Its relationships with outside interest groups and institutions are shaping it as it matures, particularly as it garners more resources and outside influences. It seems to be moving through organizational development very rapidly, and it isn’t clear what the end point will be.

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By: Scott http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-19088 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:02:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-19088 My impression is that OWS cannot be typified as “anti-capitalist,” one of the reasons being is that it is better to let “a thousand flowers bloom” than alienate those in the movement that strongly support reforming the market economy and those that would prefer to eliminate it. Thus, interpreting the movement as being “anti-capitalist” reflects more the motivations of the interpreters than of the interpretees. The beauty of OWS is that at this point whatever your grievance is, it shall be heard and that has maximized participation.

Lech Walesa is correct in saying, “They are protesting the ‘unfairness’ of an economy that enriches a few and ‘throws the people to the curb.” Capitalism needs to be saved from itself again, not through bailouts but through actual reform.

Yet the system has not successfully been reformed by politicians, which to me is an indication that the US political system, not just capitalism, is in need of serious reform as well. This is perhaps the greater issue, at least for me: that is, restore democracy by getting the money out of politics (I’ve signed the petition!), and seperate corporation and state. Politicians cannot be trusted to do this, which is why people throughout the US, and the world, have taken to the streets.

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By: Jeffrey C. Goldfarb http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-19018 Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:17:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-19018 Alissa’s comment is an important addition to mine. The issue is both about free debate and encouraging multiple forms of action, thickening democracy as a result. Get Money Out is an important idea and action, others are worth exploring and promoting.

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By: Alissa http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-19013 Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:58:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-19013 The recent “Citizen’s United Decision” equates money to speech. I find that hard to swallow. so, The vocality of movements like Occupy Wall Street reminds us of two critical aspects of our first amendment rights: free speech and free assembly. No matter how big the super-pacs get, no matter how enormous the donations, no matter how much Washington is like NASCAR in a suit—there is no substitute for real speech.

Perhaps it’s not radical enough, but one way that I am turning my speech into action is through the “Get Money Out” campaign to constitutionally amennd “Citizens United.” There’s more substance to this movement than Russ Feingold’s Progressive’s United.

And while our efforts may seem like nothing more than another lobby campaign, or merely a bandaid–in the face of our “prevailing social order,” bought-government, and for-profit healthcare…. “Get Money Out” is a movement promoting the voices of living, breathing citizens, and turning our voices into legislative action. It’s certainly a start.

http://www.getmoneyout.com/?recruiter_id=190113

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By: Jeffrey C. Goldfarb http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-18929 Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:43:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-18929 The motivations for taking part in the Occupations around the world and how they are interpreted are multiple. Many observers and political actors are now discussing what it really means or how it must develop in order to be successful. Support Obama or oppose him. Develop a clear critique of capitalism, as Ross Wolfe argues, or recognize that the task is to reform the political economy in ways that benefit the majority and not the privileged few. The meeting of diverse points of view and debates about them, it seems to me, is the great accomplishment of the movement, letting a thousand flowers bloom and in the process, perhaps, successfully broadening and reinvigorating democratic debate.

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By: Ross Wolfe http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/10/in-review-ows-the-ground-zero-occupation/comment-page-1/#comment-18697 Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=8736#comment-18697 Occupy Wall Street has so far been successful in enlisting the support of a number of leftish celebrities, prominent unions, and young activists, and has received a lot of media coverage. The protestors have successfully stood their ground against Bloomberg’s attempt to evict them.

But this victory can by no means considered final. Rather, it tasks us with the question: “Where do we go from here?”

If this successful moment of resistance against the coercion of the State is to signal a turning-point for this movement, it must now address the more serious political problems that confront it. It is crucial that the participants in these demonstrations ask themselves where they stand in history, and more adequately conceptualize the problem of capitalist society.

Though Occupy Wall Street and the Occupy [insert location here] in general still contains many problematic aspects, it nevertheless presents an opportunity for the Left to engage with some of the nascent anti-capitalist sentiment taking shape there. To this point, most of the protests have only expressed a sort of intuitive discontent with the status quo. In order to get a better sense of what they are up against, they must develop a more adequate understanding of the prevailing social order. Hopefully, the demonstrations will lead to a general radicalization of the participants’ politics, and a commitment to the longer-term project of social emancipation.

To this end, I have written up a rather pointed Marxist analysis of the OWS movement so far that you might find interesting:

“Reflections on Occupy Wall Street: What it Represents, Its Prospects, and Its Deficiencies

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